Giving the towns a facelift, yes or no

We have a build staff now that is thinking of making the server look alot more like it should from the PnP maps. They are already making and adding areas in between the towns to show the proper distances. Don't worry, we're going to use the stables to offer transportation for a small nominal fee. But the question the builders have is: would changing the towns themselves ruin your fun and the nostalgia you have for DD? We do all this so that we can all have fun and enjoy ourselves. So this is a community brainstorm. We are adding new areas, expanding the roads and mountains, and even a town or two. But do we want change in the Falls and Teshwave themselves?

(feel free to give your opinion in type as well so we understand your thoughts)

The looks of the town areas aren't a part of what fascinates me about the module, but rather the system of scripts and rp, so I'm more for the possibility of nice outlooks than not. On the behalf of Murkur though, proper rocks would be a big plus.

With that large picture... I wonder if I should bother voting.

Yes, there are plenty of new intersting tilesets to implement not only for towns, but using them for towns could be a good start.
What is intersting of DD is not the looks, but all the rest. In addition I would really see all those "new" tilesets in use cause, except some minor maps I made, I never had the chanche to play in/with them.

Change is good. Right? Probably.

I think the idea of revamping the towns is exciting, though it really depends on what exactly it's changed to. Maybe this is a silly idea, and more work than needs be, but it's just a thought:

What if we were to see a little teaser of what you're thinking about. Like a small area with a transition either in the welcome area or accessible through DM port, just to have feedback and/or get a better idea of just what is going to happen.

I welcome the idea, although there are aspects of the towns that trigger nostalgia for old DD, which I sorta like. Nevertheless, I think it's nice to update servers and keep them fresh and exciting. My main concern is that there will be a lot more size to the towns and the outlying areas and that will result in even more spreading out of the already small player base, make in-town RP more difficult, and maybe even contribute to crashing the server. While large towns are cool to behold, sometimes it is nice to have centralized shops and gathering places.

Anywho, I voted yes.

Truthfully, I remember voting for the last part which was "Who cares? Keep the servering running" but I joined DD like 5 months before it got unplugged and one of the things I miss are the gatherings and RP scenery around the front of the tavern. Pickle Barrel anybody?

Yes, I think, but please try to retain the town as it is now, a facelift is nice, change is good, chaos is good.

Though change it too much and it becomes something else entirely.

I agree, lets try to think more along the lines of 'evolution' rather than complete and utter 'revolution'...

"Evolution" is a hell of a lot trickier than you all may think.Enlarge the grid and add to the town and you'll have loading and lag issues.Move houses around etc. and you'll lose pc housing.Do to the inaccurate placement of the Falls in the town itself they are going to be removed and that will free up alot of extra space for other things.Things can be done but I was thinking of trying a whole new tileset altogether. *shrugs* But Whatever everyone would like and would feel best.I can keep the small town feeling while changing...but like I said w/e you guys think.As for Teshwave that's a whole other beast altogether.I've already received a diction on the direction the admin. would like to take it so that helps alot in my mind as to the direction I am going to take.Alas it is what is...

Venerate One wrote:

I agree, lets try to think more along the lines of 'evolution' rather than complete and utter 'revolution'...

Q-2 wrote:

Yes, I think, but please try to retain the town as it is now, a facelift is nice, change is good, chaos is good.

As an OLD DD player since its Beta, I enjoyed seeing the server evolve with new amazing scripts, spawn ideas, armor restrictions, Leveling restrictions (TODs, PRCs, etc). I think a facelife would be an excellent way to bring some new life in the stale maps that DD offers IMO. I say stale due to my subjective experience and time here in DD. I practically know the server maps by heart and not much has changed for the maps themselves. I would not mind seeing it altered with some minor tweaking and updates here or there as Venerate One and Q-2 said however a whole new "from the ground up" facelift would make DD feel alien to me again it would lose its old "charm" that it still has on me.

I like the face lift idea, but don't oversell it and overkill Daggerdale with new content .

I agree. If giving the server a 'facelift' means that Dagger Falls suddenly becomes alien and new then I vote no.

You also have the implications of RP, how is it that suddenly you character wakes up one day and BAM! everything has suddenly change. I know one or two characters that would at least suspect some foul play


Im sorry Weave, I know it sounds like I am constantly locking horns with your creative ideas, but I say if it isnt broke, dont fix it. A few brighter placeables here and there, a few new NPCs and quests to show evolution of time, maybe a new faction here and there and definatley some longer roads.

But a different tileset and complete overhaul of the main area used in the mod? Its risky.

NPCs! With backgrounds! Quests! Stories! Stories!

Venerate One wrote:

I agree. If giving the server a 'facelift' means that Dagger Falls suddenly becomes alien and new then I vote no.

You also have the implications of RP, how is it that suddenly you character wakes up one day and BAM! everything has suddenly change. I know one or two characters that would at least suspect some foul play


Im sorry Weave, I know it sounds like I am constantly locking horns with your creative ideas, but I say if it isnt broke, dont fix it. A few brighter placeables here and there, a few new NPCs and quests to show evolution of time, maybe a new faction here and there and definatley some longer roads.

But a different tileset and complete overhaul of the main area used in the mod? Its risky.

Lol, no way bro.I like the think tank we as a team are starting to develop.The facelifting of the towns was only a discussion that turned into an actual let's see what the players think and do something about it.As it is there aren't many places to put new NPC'S...all of the buildings are either stores or pc housing.Maybe a wandering townsmen or two...Yes there are places but like I said the current DF is limited to say the least.Hells don't get me wrong I love DF..it's homey but expansion wise and evolutionary aren't so hand in hand..And I said "I was THINKING of using a new tileset" lol...Actually I was going to build a whole new version of DF and just tweak the original and see what everyone liked best.As for Teshwave it NEEDS to be overhauled.It's squat and cluttered with nothing much to offer rp wise except as the home base of the baddies.Same with Ant's Dell...there just isn't an attraction to get those places traffic.Although one alteration in Tesh I made will see to that.As for the Dell I'll try and remedy that next update.But if ANYONE has any ideas on how they would like to see the Falls evolutionized I am definitely all ears!

I asked for Tesh to be made more gritty and grimy, dirty and meaner. It's a city controlled by the Zhents and they don't care about people. So I asked for that to be made into more of an "underbelly of the city" if possible.

On another note, we're gonna set up a forum for those that are playtesting the new layout to see what they think.

Oh, as far as changing DF entirely with people not knowing what happened IC...I'm sure someone that loves dragon battles over town would enjoy razing the town so it could be rebuilt.

Is that a hint for a "special Dragon" to come by and raze the town?

whodatis? wrote:

Oh, as far as changing DF entirely with people not knowing what happened IC...I'm sure someone that loves dragon battles over town would enjoy razing the town so it could be rebuilt.

You mean this time I wont get banned from DMing for a month like under the old management

As for Anathar's Dell, I could take that off your hands...

Venerate One wrote:

whodatis? wrote:

Oh, as far as changing DF entirely with people not knowing what happened IC...I'm sure someone that loves dragon battles over town would enjoy razing the town so it could be rebuilt.

You mean this time I wont get banned from DMing for a month like under the old management

As for Anathar's Dell, I could take that off your hands...

You sir would like to re-do/add to Anathar's Dell?

If so I have no qualms with accepting help.There is still so much to do any and all help is appreciated.There is no "I" in team lol

Why not. Ive wanted to change it into a proper town for years.

*shrugs* Have at it then

Venerate One wrote:

whodatis? wrote:

Oh, as far as changing DF entirely with people not knowing what happened IC...I'm sure someone that loves dragon battles over town would enjoy razing the town so it could be rebuilt.

You mean this time I wont get banned from DMing for a month like under the old management

As for Anathar's Dell, I could take that off your hands...

Nope. It would be great. It would also give a suitable reason for the changes the server is undergoing.